WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? at the > ceremony/orgy. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. 1. <<<<<<<<< >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Please either stop orshape up. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. or psychotherapists. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Statanic mass? ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Poor Clark. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. --Napoleon. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. 0. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? ANSWER. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. What a joke to call them "philosophers." ", "Victor what can I say. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. >What else could> he call it? It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? It was a > party nevertheless. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. ">> "Victor what can I say. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He wasn't positive. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. She helps Bill at the <<<<<<<<<<. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. How doesshe know this? The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. OT. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. Same voice. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. Orgy? Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. Same voice. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. <<<<<<<<<<. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. Web .

1925 . '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. So is Ziegler lying? People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Let him go! But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' >What else could he call it? 2. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. Orgy? (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. Orgy? > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Amazing. Statanic mass? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). > Mandy was not the same woman. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Is that how > you> would describe it? at the> ceremony/orgy. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. ", "They were nutcases. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." andpleading with her to take off her mask? I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? 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